Today’s guest is my very first work friend,
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who went on to quit that job,
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join a cool Silicon Valley startup,
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and move in with homeless people.
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Kylie Sheehy.
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I can’t hear you.
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This is off to an awesome start.
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Here, is it?
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Did I fix it?
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Yeah, there you go.
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There we go.
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Okay.
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I got a lot of microphones.
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I’m just like very savvy and technologically advanced.
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Well I can tell because you got like some weird headset and what’s your fake
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background fading in and out of?
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This is actually a screenshot I took of a team’s background that I like better but
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then when it’s too small for Zoom so it’s so vixly it looks absolutely fake but
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that’s what we got.
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So you’re like pretending to be in some random apartment?
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It could be my apartment.
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Yeah,
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but we know it’s not because it’s like every time you move it goes like the
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background is this.
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Maybe I live in the future.
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Where nothing works.
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Technology is even worse.
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It’s all been broken and it’s going to kill us.
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Yeah, that sounds like the present day and the future.
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See?
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Get on my level.
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I think we’re recording.
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I don’t even know.
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This is the first time I’ve ever done anything on Zoom,
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and I’ve discovered that the lighting in my office is awful for this.
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So I think this is going to be an audio podcast.
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I don’t know what I prefer.
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Well, good, because your background is making it definitely audio podcast worthy.
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It’s like you’re doing a snow angel in your background, everything you move your arms.
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Kylie Sheehy, what makes you interesting?
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All kinds of things.
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All right so you were born where are you even from yeah great question that’s the
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first thing that makes me interesting I think uh so it’s really just one of my
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superpowers uh that I can be from any hometown at any moment in time I was born in
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Kansas City Kansas and then uh not even the good Kansas City the bad one
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The good one.
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They’re all fine.
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They’re all top notch and they’re all tied for first and then moved to North
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Carolina and then moved to Georgia and then Texas and then Kansas for a short stint
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and then Washington State and then D.C.
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then like Northern Virginia area and then Michigan and then back to Kansas for
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school and then
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Cincinnati for a couple of years and then uh San Francisco and then Austin Wow I
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didn’t I thought it was like three places it’s even worse than I thought no it’s
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better than you thought yeah did you say Detroit don’t you live in Detroit too um
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my parents live in Detroit Michigan is Detroit is in Michigan so when I said
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Michigan that’s what I meant yeah
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Okay, I wasn’t, this is already a really boring podcast.
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I wasn’t even really listening to all that.
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No, that’s interesting.
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So anytime I get into an Uber, someone’s like, oh, I’m from like, whatever.
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I just moved here.
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I’m like, oh my God, me too.
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And then we’re best friends.
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What, yeah.
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What makes you want to be from the Midwest so bad?
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I feel like maybe it’s just you saying that to be like,
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trying to like find some common ground with me.
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But I feel like you always want to claim the Midwest,
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even though it’s like the fourth most frequent place that you’ve lived at.
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I would say I really lean into being one of the supervillains who moved from the
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Bay Area to Austin.
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That’s one of my favorite things.
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That’s like what I like to claim as my my my home, just like as like a concept.
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And then I actively tried to remove the Midwest from my my pedigree.
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Yeah.
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Oh,
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so you’re not Midwest now because you were all about it when we first became
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friends,
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but you moved on.
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It’s tough.
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It’s tough because it like comes out of me because it’s just who I am and who my family is.
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But yeah, like on paper, I prefer to be much more glamorously from elsewhere.
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Okay, nevermind.
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I’ve already like, you’re already a different person than I thought you were.
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So your dad, your dad was, all right, it was, was it an army ranger?
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What was your dad?
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Okay, because I think everyone could probably figure this out.
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Whenever you’re from a thousand places, you’re either like homeless or in the army, military.
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So I’m guessing it’s the latter of the two.
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Yeah.
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Which, what is former and latter?
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I don’t remember.
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But like,
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interestingly,
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another thing that makes me interesting is that I do live among the homeless,
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formerly homeless.
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So like, we’re kindred spirits in a sense.
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Okay, we’ll get to that part.
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I got like, I got like notes, okay?
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I made notes here.
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So what was your dad’s job that made you like never at home anywhere you were ever at?
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He was in the army.
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He was doing army stuff.
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We actually like had a very long conversation the last time I was home because I
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was like,
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you never told us what your job was.
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And he was like, well, I wasn’t allowed to.
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And I was like, okay.
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He was a ranger, right?
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Because I remember like he used to put around an army ranger water bottle.
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Yeah, my sick water bottle.
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No, Wayne Garrett got mad one day because he was like, what are you doing?
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And I was like, my dad is a ranger.
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And he was like, oh, sorry.
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Yeah, so we were at a work.
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Yeah,
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for all my three people that are going to listen to this that weren’t in the room
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at the time that happened.
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So we were at a work training where Kyle and I became friends.
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And you had an Army Ranger water bottle.
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And we had this former, what do you know, West Point grad.
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He was a West Pointer, but I don’t know what he did beyond that.
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I don’t think I don’t think he did anything beyond that.
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Because he went to West Point,
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but then he pretty much jumped ship to 100% tailored suits and corporate American
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private jet life.
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To be the director of sales for any product line that they thought that he should
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be in charge of,
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even though he may or may not have known what that product line was.
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He was one of those.
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Yeah, and he saw your water bottle.
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He was ready to just jump down your ass about having this illegal water bottle that
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you don’t deserve to have.
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And then you pulled rank on him.
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Yeah no big time I did.
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So what makes a ranger cool?
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I feel like something about what he said was like you didn’t earn that or something
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and I was like okay and then yeah and then dunked on him.
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I got it from my dad who’s way cooler than you.
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I never had a home my entire adolescence because my dad was busy serving the
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country and defending your rights wing from the jungle and doing rangery stuff.
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So what does an armor range even do?
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Like, I know, like, the Green Berets and the Navy Seals.
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I thought this interview was about me.
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This is not my job.
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Yeah, but this is the interesting stuff.
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The interesting stuff is,
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like,
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why is your dad,
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because,
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all right,
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so,
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like,
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I got,
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like,
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eight things about Colonel Sheehy,
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because I remember you said that it’s all you’d ever talk about when I first got to
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know you.
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You said that he pitched the first pitch at a Detroit Tigers baseball game, and I went, what?
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And you went, well, yeah, Colonel Sheehy has done a bunch of badass shit.
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So that’s all I know about
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I feel like your origin story is very much in tune with having a dad that was cool
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enough to get an Army Rangers water bottle and do the opening pitch in a Tigers
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game.
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Well,
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my origin story,
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another thing that makes me interesting,
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my origin story,
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I don’t know if this is in your notes or if I’m skipping around too much.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, this is a very tight ship.
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So if you skip around, I’ll bring you back in.
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My origin story, my dad was in the Persian Gulf when my mom was pregnant.
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My mom had a very hard pregnancy, like almost died.
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And my dad,
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depending on your perspective,
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leaving anyway was either very heroic or very negligent.
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But it was at the time, it was very patriotic and heroic.
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And we were like this very solid military family.
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And my mom was like, go ahead, I’ll be okay.
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And the other officer’s wives like kind of surrounded her and helped her out.
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And but she just had a very hard pregnancy.
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So she ended up moving back to Kansas where she’s from.
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And when I was born,
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there was like a big to do in the Kansas City Star about whether my dad was going
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to make it or whether I was going to be born like before he got back.
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And it was like a cover story.
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I was like a little famous fetus.
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And then I was a famous new baby and toddler because they kept like checking in on us.
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And so then when I was I didn’t know it was supposed to be deployed for like
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exactly nine months.
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Like what was the I don’t know.
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I don’t know.
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It’s like how I wasn’t there yet.
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Okay.
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So he was gonna make it back.
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And then, yeah, he was gonna make it back.
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It was a big cover story.
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And so then by the time he was like the news,
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I got out that this like veteran was coming home,
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like there’s all these like news stations and stuff like at my Nani and Papa’s
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house.
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And then my mom was on the TV all the time.
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And she hates it because she was just like,
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She’s very short.
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So she was like huge and pregnant.
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She was like, I hate these cameras in my face.
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But then I was born March 15th.
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And then my very first like homecoming was a huge St.
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Patrick’s Day party on March 17th for St.
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Patrick’s Day.
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So like my origin story is full of a lot of really compelling lore.
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So it’s like the at the zoo and it’s like baby watch for the baby gorilla.
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And I was super excited about it.
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But you were the baby gorilla.
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I was a baby human child.
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Yes.
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Okay,
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did they do the thing where they ask all the giant donors to submit weird African
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names to name the baby gorilla?
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Yeah, I went into something that’s much more interesting.
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Something people can spell correctly.
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Yeah, I don’t know if Kylie was like, I don’t know, some weird desert in Swahili or something.
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I’d probably have like a way fatter trust fund if we had just done that.
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So, okay, so you did that.
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You were born.
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Then what happened after you were born?
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After I was born?
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That brings us up to you being alive.
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Yeah, cut to today.
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Why did you pick Kansas?
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Was it just the local, the KU thing?
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Like just because you had family ties there?
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Or was there something about you that really wanted to be a Kansas Jayhawk?
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I loved Kansas.
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I don’t know.
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It was like one of those things,
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like when you’re a senior in high school and you’re like,
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I’m touring campuses,
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like KU was just where I needed to be.
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It was awesome.
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It’s just a beautiful campus.
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Were you living in Kansas then?
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No, I was living in Michigan.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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My dad did Jayhawk and my mom went to K-State.
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Was it in-state tuition?
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No, that doesn’t matter.
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Was it in-state tuition?
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It was.
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Again, because my dad was a veteran, so I got in-state at Kansas.
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Okay.
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I’ve had three guests, and you’re the second of the three that had that exact same setup.
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Was it because you had a parent that was military,
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so you had to do in-state tuition because that was where you were?
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Well, it wasn’t where I was.
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Where your parents were from, though, right?
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Because you had to do it anywhere.
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I think we could have done it anywhere at the time,
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like whatever the Obama administration had set up for kids of veterans.
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It was like any, I think, state school.
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Okay.
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You had a way better deal than my first guest, though.
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Either that or he was way worse at understanding how that program works.
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That’s, I think, much more possible.
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Yeah.
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He’s like, I could only live in Omaha or Hawaii, and I picked Omaha.
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Yeah, he doesn’t know what’s going on.
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Do you think he thought Oahu and Omaha were the same place?
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You might have.
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I mean, you could listen to the podcast yourself, but you’re never going to.
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Yeah, you’re definitely not.
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Okay,
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so the only,
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what I know about your time in Kansas,
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because that’s also all you ever talked about when I was friends with you.
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Yeah, well, Jay was like peak living.
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I was, yeah.
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I mean, I am.
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It’s for life.
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Is it really?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You’re always, now you’re always a sorority girl.
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That’s how this works?
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Yeah, of course.
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Okay.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Okay so sorority and you’re like you took nuns out to bars to share the gospel.
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Yeah yeah I did that.
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Part of your Catholic group.
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Yes.
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How’d you talk them into doing that?
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I mean I still do that.
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That’s like I’m like trying to go get beers with my friend Father Steve who was
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just on Jeopardy actually.
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He yeah I’m gonna go try and get beers with him and my friend Allison in a couple
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weeks to talk lonesome dub and just
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Have him out in the public or like I have I am in my tiny house where I live among
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the homeless formerly homeless of Austin I like brought a bunch of priests over to
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um to bless my tiny house and they like did confessions for some of my neighbors
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and they just like talk to them yeah for sure oh yeah that’s like that’s just my
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norm I’m just like always surrounded by holy holy dudes who can take care of stuff
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yeah I do I try my hardest or like I had a Christmas party not that long ago and it
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had shut down
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And it was, again, at the village.
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There’s, like, shuttles leaving the Christmas party.
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And everyone had left.
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Like, we’re, like, shutting it down.
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Me and my friend are walking back to my house after we’d walked a bunch of people
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to the shuttle.
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And she’s going to help me tear down.
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And out of the corner of my eye,
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I see,
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like,
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four dudes in collars just,
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like,
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sneaking up my patio.
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And I was like, what the heck?
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And it was four priests who were like,
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hey,
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yeah,
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we had a bunch of other Christmas parties to get to today.
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But we wanted to make sure we got here.
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And so they just shut it down.
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They just came up.
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So yeah,
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you just got to have holy people in your life who show up and want to make sure you
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make it to heaven.
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What kind of party is a party with four presets?
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I mean, they were down.
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They’re always down.
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They want to be among the people.
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They want to know what we’re up to so they can pull us back up and out of it.
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It’s like them reorienting their mission.
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Be like, no, there is a place for me.
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I do have lost sheep to save.
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Yes, big time.
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They’re like, well, they’ve wandered way further than we could have even thought.
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You’ve always been fascinated me for so many reasons.
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One is you’re my token Catholic friend who I always ask Catholic questions to.
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And I never really know if I’m getting like,
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you’re like the,
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you’re like my version of the Pope.
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Like my representation of all of Roman Catholicism goes through your interpretation of it.
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You know, that’s like a dangerous thing.
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You’re not really supposed to do that.
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Yeah, it probably is.
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But I also, I mean, so is the other institution, but you know.
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No, no.
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I mean, like anytime you’re like this one person represents the whole deal.
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It’s like, it’s just like not, it’s not very sound.
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No?
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Well, even when it’s you?
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I’m probably the exception.
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So in my experience,
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then,
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all Catholics are just like you who take a bunch of priests to Christmas parties
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and priests that have been on Jeopardy.
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So apparently that’s more common than I think.
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No, I don’t think so.
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I think, again, I think I’m exceptional.
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I’m very interesting.
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That’s why I’m on this podcast.
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Do you feel this is going well so far?
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No, not at all.
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No, yeah, not at all.
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What were your uh all right so somewhere between my total unpreparedness for what
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was going to happen and you like shouting the questions at me am i shouting i don’t
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know i have this fancy podcast mike and i think it’s just like way better quality
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than what you’re used to yeah well this is my little like for my um what’s that
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thing that michael scott did with thickrum you know the phone bank job he moonlit
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that’s what it reminds me of
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The headset when he did telemarketing?
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Telemarketing, that’s the word I’m looking for.
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Okay.
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It reminds you of telemarketing.
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Yeah, me too, now that you say it.
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That’s another interesting thing.
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I did that at Kansas.
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That’s one of the reasons I loved Kansas so much because I had the most bomb-ass
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job of my whole life.
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I was like a telemarketer for the Alumni Association, not the Endowment Association.
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And I would just call alum relentlessly and be like, hey, I’m Kylie.
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Please give to the university.
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And they’d be like, okay, you sound great.
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I feel like everything that you talk about being awesome is stuff that I would hate.
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Like being a telemarketer, like hanging out with priests.
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living with homeless people like these all sound terrible to me to be fair I live
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in my own home well yeah I love living the gospel I think it’s really important to
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live the beatitudes and like to be a person who has a charitable heart and does
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good work and also what do you got what do you got for that and also calls people
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for to give them money well the university needs money how are we going to get
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these like kids from western Kansas educated
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That’s the fascinating thing to me.
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I think a lot of people would resonate with this idea of those are good things,
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but they’re like,
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I don’t want to do it.
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But you do it.
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You like it.
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You like this kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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I like actually doing the work instead of watching all these little pussies run
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around,
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sniveling about how everything is busted and sitting on their candy bar eating
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asses all day.
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Okay, you’ve alluded to it, then I don’t even understand.
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So what is, what are you, like these homeless people?
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I mean,
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now we’re going out of my like little notes here,
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but talk about your homeless people thing since now we buried the lead.
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What is your homeless person gig now then?
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My gig?
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I am what’s called a missional at...
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Community First Village in Austin, Texas.
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So it is a master playing community of tiny homes and PMRVs and the first 3D
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printed homes in the United States are there.
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Icon Homes built their houses.
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Wait, what?
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Icon?
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Like legit 3D printed?
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Yeah,
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there’s like an arm out there that like squeezes these houses out and my neighbors
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live in them.
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Holy cow.
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Pretty sick.
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Yeah.
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One of the gentlemen he just passed.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything 3D print something that’s like larger than a keychain.
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Yeah, it’s cool.
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For a while they used to have,
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now they’re a little bit more comfortable,
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I think just like generally as a company,
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but for a long time they would put these huge tarps up because they didn’t want to,
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or anyone,
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stealing like their IP and like reverse engineering the process.
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It’s super cool.
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They’re made out of this proprietary material called Lavacrete, but I digress.
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So it’s a master plan community right now there’s like a few there’s like 500 and
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change homes like ultimately they’re supposed to be like well over 1000.
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And the mission is empowering communities to live.
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Oh shoot I know the mission I’m doing a bad job.
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Empowering communities into a lifestyle of service with the homeless.
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Empowering communities into a lifestyle of service with the homeless.
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And so we are really strategically focused on bringing men and women out of
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homelessness in the Austin,
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Texas area because all of the research basically supports that homelessness is
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actually a symptom of a catastrophic loss of family.
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And while there are like another of other factors that like usually flow from
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having a catastrophic loss of family or would make a person like homeless,
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like having a mental or physical disability or dependency on alcohol or drugs or
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Any other number of things.
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Or just like traumatic life experience, whatever.
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It’s really catastrophic loss of family.
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That’s like the big catalyst for why a person would end up on the streets.
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So what we, I say loosely, I just live there as like a missional.
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You, you’re the representative of this entire organization.
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Again, just me.
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Not at all.
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So what Mobile Loves and Fishers and Community First Village is trying to do is
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like reconstitute,
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forge family and community for these men and women.
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And so, yeah, so like the village is out there.
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It’s very permanent housing.
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If one of my,
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if my neighbor wants to live in it for the rest of their lives,
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like it’s not a halfway house.
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It’s not a rehab.
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It’s like, it’s a place where they can live.
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It’s a neighborhood.
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Yeah.
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We have like a little grocery store,
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we have a bus stop,
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we have like a little shuttle that runs around the neighborhood because most of my
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neighbors have physical or mental or both kind of disabilities so it just makes it
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easier for everybody to get around and it’s also just like hot.
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By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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Beaty By C.S.
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The way people interact with the homeless, which is another big part.
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So yeah,
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so I live out there and I like just kind of like live to be of service with my
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neighbors and walk alongside them and just be a friend.
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Is it like a mixed income like model?
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So the idea is like there’s a bunch of people like you that have jobs or whatever
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and like in similar arrangements with the people that don’t have money.
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So that way the overall culture is stronger and
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What not?
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Is that kind of the idea?
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Well, kind of.
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So I feel like your question is ill-informed.
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Okay, inform me.
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So my neighbors...
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By C.S.
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Beaty
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Who works at like a very cool hipster Mexican cantina in town and not her name is
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Kathy and she works at like this restaurant a lot of people work off site like
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there is a one man who’s standing up his own like car detailing business name is
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Joseph so there’s like any number of ways that people are making income out there.
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And they’re all like responsible for their own rent and utilities like any other apartment.
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But then.
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There are there’s like so like I said,
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I’m a missional and there’s probably about 40 other missionals who live out there
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and they’re kind of a mixed bag of like retired folks or there’s like another woman
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who’s about my age.
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But then there’s like a couple of families like there’s all kinds of people who are
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missionals and are just like out there to be of service in one way or another.
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So some of them are working full time.
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Some of them are retired.
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Some of them are working part time.
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Some work
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For Mobile Loaves and Fishes.
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So yeah,
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that group is a very mixed bag,
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but we all kind of have the same charge of empowering communities into a lifestyle
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of service.
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Yeah.
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So is that like you applied for that or you get like, okay.
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Yeah,
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it’s like,
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it’s like a,
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so there’s an application and then there’s like a year long,
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we call it a discernment process where you like,
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there’s like a certain like set of books that you read that are kind of like
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informative of like what the culture is going to be like,
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because it’s a very unique place to live,
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for sure.
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So yeah,
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there’s like kind of like a small curriculum of books that you read,
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you get assigned a mentor with like who you can ask questions,
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you have to live out there,
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like,
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for like,
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like a week or two weeks,
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I can’t remember just to like make sure you’re
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You feel called you have to do like a certain number of volunteer hours like we
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have like I mentioned the market or there’s a place called the living room where we
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play like the NBA finals games or we like there’s like a pinball machine or like my
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one of my friends does like a knitting circle there like so just being like part of
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the living room or doing whatever and like there’s an art house like Kendra Scott
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was partnered with the mobile lobes for a long time doing like gig work like my
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neighbors were making some of the bracelets that went on to sell at Kendra Scott so
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yeah
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There’s lots of ways to volunteer and really discern whether that’s the thing that
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you’re meant to be doing.
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Backing up, you and I, we met each other.
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You were doing a sales gig.
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You actually, I think, hated that, which is ironic.
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You hated that.
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Give me the comment how you like all the stuff that other people hate, but you did hate that.
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I hate that a lot.
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I think a lot of people hate sales.
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I do hate sales.
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You told me you hated it back when you were in it.
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Yeah, I hated it.
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I was trying to also tease out that I also hated it, especially in California.
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The people I worked with was very challenging, super toxic.
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I left that job, went to a new job.
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Within the first week I had started that job,
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got served literally legal papers by this sketchy chain-smoking man who was hanging
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out outside my office for two days and then had to testify in court against
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Both the manager who was fired and one who was like quitting because she was like
(00:25:09):
being wrongfully turned.
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I don’t know.
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Like it was such a toxic and crazy place.
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So I was trying.
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I don’t know if I hate sales.
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You hated that job.
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It’s hard to tease that out.
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I can say that somebody’s been in sales for 15 years.
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Sometimes you hate sales.
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Sometimes you just hate being in a company that you’re trying to represent that isn’t terrible.
(00:25:29):
Yeah, yeah.
(00:25:30):
You should totally buy all our stuff because it’s definitely not awful here.
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This company is definitely not terrible.
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We’re doing great.
(00:25:37):
Yeah.
(00:25:38):
Okay,
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so you’re at the Cincinnati office,
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which you go from Cincinnati,
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which is according to Tom Brady’s documentary about the Birmingham Blues that I
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just watched,
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is a very
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By C.S.
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Beaty
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So he doesn’t know.
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But anyway,
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so you go from Cincinnati to Silicon Valley in San Francisco,
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which is like,
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you know,
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I think regardless of Tom Brady’s characterization,
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very,
(00:26:19):
very different.
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Is that fair to say?
(00:26:21):
Yeah, I think so.
(00:26:23):
Okay.
(00:26:23):
Yeah.
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And then you’re totally Silicon Valley now, like you’re working for startups or whatever.
(00:26:28):
Well,
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you go,
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you do the,
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you work for the same company for a while that I’m currently at,
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which is very corporate,
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big,
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you know,
(00:26:35):
behemoth,
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working for the man,
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whatever.
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And then you go to a Silicon Valley startup
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This lady wrote a book about Uncanny Valley, a memoir by Anna.
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Uncanny Valley, yeah.
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Yeah.
(00:26:47):
I remember I read this book and I told you about it and you’re like, that book is terrible.
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Like you hated it.
(00:26:52):
I didn’t hate it.
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I didn’t finish it.
(00:26:54):
I did because after I got through the part about the company that I worked at,
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I was like,
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this is not compelling anymore.
(00:27:00):
Her writing’s not that good.
(00:27:02):
It’s been on the order of years that I was meant to have written a better version.
(00:27:07):
Yeah.
(00:27:08):
Yeah.
(00:27:09):
I don’t doubt you could have written a better version of that book.
(00:27:12):
Yeah, we discussed at length that I could easily have cranked out a better version.
(00:27:17):
And then you went and actually wrote a book.
(00:27:18):
So now I really have to do it.
(00:27:21):
Yeah, no, you definitely have to do that.
(00:27:22):
This is a New York Times bestseller book.
(00:27:23):
I know.
(00:27:25):
You really missed the train on that.
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So I was compelled by that book because I thought like there was a from in my
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perception there’s like this romantic note like I think now we all agree that
(00:27:35):
Silicon Valley is awful.
(00:27:36):
Like I think most of us like that’s not a hot take anymore.
(00:27:39):
Like there’s a lot of downside right like nobody actually likes Mark Zuckerberg anymore.
(00:27:44):
Maybe we used to but I don’t think anybody actually likes I used to be a fan.
(00:27:47):
I’ll probably be canceled when this gas takes off.
(00:27:51):
Yeah, yeah.
(00:27:51):
Just wait.
(00:27:52):
As soon as I hit send, your career’s over.
(00:27:56):
Send to the podcast world.
(00:27:58):
Yeah.
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But when I read that book, I think I was still very much my romantic Silicon Valley period.
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And then that was the first thing I read by a quote unquote insider.
(00:28:07):
It was like, no, actually, this is also terrible.
(00:28:10):
Like just everything kind of sucks.
(00:28:12):
The difference is if you go to a giant company,
(00:28:14):
you’re working for people that have had jobs before versus Silicon Valley.
(00:28:18):
Yeah.
(00:28:19):
There are no parents.
(00:28:20):
Yeah.
(00:28:20):
I have no idea what they’re doing.
(00:28:22):
Yeah.
(00:28:22):
I think some of that has changed just because,
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like,
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I don’t know if there,
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I would say,
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like,
(00:28:27):
I feel now,
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like,
(00:28:29):
so when I was working at that first startup,
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I feel like everyone was kind of my age.
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And so now we’ve all become, like, 30-something.
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So I don’t know.
(00:28:39):
Like,
(00:28:39):
I feel like we’re all kind of,
(00:28:40):
like,
(00:28:40):
still,
(00:28:40):
it’s,
(00:28:40):
like,
(00:28:40):
the same pledge class of,
(00:28:42):
like,
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people getting older.
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It also feels like a very Silicon Valley thing to say at the same time.
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Did you have an employee number?
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Like employee number or something, something?
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That’s a very Silicon Valley thing.
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I used to.
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Not here, I don’t.
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Because we have, I think we have really close to a thousand people.
(00:28:58):
And the company I’ve been at now has been around for like 10 or 12 years.
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So it’s not as important.
(00:29:03):
And they IPO’d already, so it doesn’t matter.
(00:29:05):
But you were, at one point you had a number when you were in San Francisco.
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Like that’s how cool you were.
(00:29:10):
Well, one time I was at a startup where I was like truly like number like 43 or something.
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Yeah, it was hella toxic.
(00:29:18):
It was terrible.
(00:29:18):
But is that when you like, all right, so you’re at San Francisco for a while.
(00:29:25):
You had like three or four different stars, right?
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Or just multiple.
(00:29:27):
I don’t know the exact number.
(00:29:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(00:29:31):
Is that when you decided to go to like do this change your life around to live with
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the amongst the people instead of the tech bros in Austin?
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, I still like nine to five.
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I’m like among my tech bros.
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I haven’t quit the tech bros.
(00:29:45):
Okay, so you’re still a tech bro.
(00:29:46):
Yeah, yeah.
(00:29:48):
But is that like what am I five to nine?
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Did you move from San Francisco to Texas to do this?
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No, no.
(00:29:52):
I uncovered that like completely.
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So I left SF in 2020, moved to Austin.
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And that was in July when I moved.
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And then in December of that year, like I said, so Alamo Drafthouse has that big
(00:30:08):
Amphitheater and they were like they had pivoted like everyone had pivoted from
(00:30:11):
like their normal course of action to something else so instead of doing like their
(00:30:14):
Friday night movies in this big amphitheater they had made it so that we were doing
(00:30:19):
drive-in movies and it was Christmas time and my friends and I were just like
(00:30:24):
So desperate for anything to do in 2020 because everything had been shut down and changed.
(00:30:28):
And so we were like,
(00:30:29):
we just booked these random tickets to go see Home Alone at this like drive in.
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And it turned out the drive in was actually at the village.
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And so I met like a bunch of people who became my neighbors.
(00:30:40):
But that’s when I got plugged.
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So I found out about it because they play like a big trailer before they play the movie.
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That’s like, this is our village.
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And this is why we’re so interesting and unique and are making such a big impact.
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And then and you also go on a tour just to see like
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The neighborhood and then yeah then we watched a movie and it’s awesome and then
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yeah and then I found out a bunch of people from my church actually like are super
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plugged in out there so I yeah so I got plugged in too so it was just like all
(00:31:06):
providential so you you went from San Francisco to Austin just like why why Austin
(00:31:13):
just because it’s the closest Midwest yeah basically you want to be back in the
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Midwest but you want to still be a cool liberal
(00:31:22):
They just don’t want to be cool.
(00:31:23):
Tech bro.
(00:31:24):
Yeah.
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That was literally it.
(00:31:26):
That was the answer.
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I nailed it.
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Really what happened was my best friend in San Francisco she was like she hit a
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wall one day with COVID she was like I’m done like I’m out of here and she’s from
(00:31:39):
Texas so she was like I’m buying a house because at the time she was working for a
(00:31:42):
company that had an office in Austin so she was like they’ll let me move I’m buying
(00:31:46):
a house I’m getting out I’m going back to Texas and I was like I like grabbed a
(00:31:49):
duffel bag and I was like take me with you for the love of God so again also very
(00:31:55):
providential I like just like kind of followed her like a sad puppy
(00:31:59):
Out of California.
(00:32:01):
You just were looking for any reason to get out of California.
(00:32:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(00:32:05):
Okay.
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COVID was so tough in the Bay.
(00:32:08):
Well,
(00:32:09):
I remember that because I was supposed to,
(00:32:10):
I was,
(00:32:10):
I canceled my anniversary trip to Napa Valley to hang out,
(00:32:14):
in part to hang out with you.
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Yeah.
(00:32:16):
March 2021.
(00:32:17):
Yeah, yeah.
(00:32:20):
Because I was supposed to go hang out and then it was just like this steady stream
(00:32:22):
of cancellation emails.
(00:32:23):
Like your Alcatraz tour is canceled.
(00:32:25):
Your flight is canceled.
(00:32:27):
Everything’s canceled.
(00:32:28):
You’re sending me an email being like,
(00:32:29):
I’m not going to tell you not to come,
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but you probably shouldn’t.
(00:32:33):
But like, don’t.
(00:32:34):
Don’t?
(00:32:34):
I don’t really want you in my house.
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With all your Nebraska germs.
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Yeah.
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Was it?
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So, all right.
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So COVID, that was like the COVID though.
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If it wasn’t for COVID, do you think you’d still be out there?
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Or is it just like- I don’t know.
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It’s impossible to say.
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Yeah.
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I’m not sure.
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I mean, the company I work for now has HQ there, so it wouldn’t be crazy.
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I mean,
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other than the,
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like,
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obviously the missional homeless people that aren’t actually homeless because I
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have ill-informed questions people.
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Other than that, I feel like your corporate life, I mean, is it that much different?
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Like Austin versus San Francisco?
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Because I just look at Austin, I think, oh, that’s just San Francisco with cowboy boots.
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No, I think that’s incorrect.
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But I mean, I work from home full time, so I don’t even go into an office, which is pretty nice.
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But I do miss the luxury of an SF office.
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Like
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What like Jamba Juice smoothies and like breakfast in the office like my per diem
(00:33:46):
now is like $30 less per day when I’m in SF because I’m like expected to eat
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breakfast and lunch in the office at least because it’s always there.
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There’s plenty of coffee.
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There’s nitro on tap.
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There’s cold brew.
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There’s there’s like beers and stuff.
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Yeah, whatever, whatever.
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There’s snacks out all the time.
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And that’s like par for the course anywhere in San Francisco.
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Yeah, I would say my office is just like another one of the very nice offices.
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Yeah, not one of the exceptional ones.
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But isn’t it like you get all that stuff like in lieu of like a 401k?
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You’re like you could have all this.
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No, I have a 401k.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I don’t know.
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Just like peanut M&Ms instead of a 401k.
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I don’t know.
(00:34:28):
You might.
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So what all right so what is your what is your job now you’re making apps for the
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PGA Tour like what do you do.
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And now I am a technical success manager at a startup called Amplitude.
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You’re customer obsessed.
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According to LinkedIn you’re customer obsessed.
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I am customer obsessed.
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Customer obsessed.
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Yeah,
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so I work with a number of customers to help their like product and marketing
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experiences,
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just like their digital,
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their overall like digital footprints.
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Okay, you said a lot of buzzwords.
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I don’t know what any of that means.
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What is the overall digital footprints and customer success?
(00:35:12):
What does it actually do?
(00:35:14):
What are the actual machinations of my job?
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I don’t have to tell you.
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What are yours?
(00:35:18):
What do you even do?
(00:35:19):
You talk about digital footprints and customer success.
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What do you do?
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You blow air across building?
(00:35:24):
None of it means anything.
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At least when we both used to work at an HVAC, calm down, it’s my podcast.
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At least when we used to work at an HVAC company,
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we’d be like,
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we make cold air,
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and now it’s like we’ve created a digital footprint.
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I didn’t make it.
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You could feel cold air, like I don’t even know what a digital footprint even is.
(00:35:44):
So when you open an app, like for anyone, really...
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You open the app and you’re like doing some stuff and I can pull all of that data.
(00:35:52):
Like I have a product.
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Amplitude is the product that like shows like that customer journey and customer behavior.
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So then we can like optimize like speed to checkout or we can optimize just like your general.
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Like if it’s buggy,
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we can optimize the experience or we can start to work out of product to like nudge
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people into the into the app or the web store or whatever it is and just like make
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it more fun and more relevant.
(00:36:13):
So like
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When you’re searching,
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you’re not seeing the same bright,
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shiny,
(00:36:17):
fun,
(00:36:18):
optimistic things that I’m seeing.
(00:36:19):
You’re seeing crotchety old dad shit.
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That’s what I’m seeing.
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That’s what I like.
(00:36:25):
Exactly.
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Your algorithm is tied into who you are.
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So you’re part of the problem is what I’m hearing.
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You’re one of the people that’s making it so we can’t ever get off of our phones.
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You want to make sure that we’re all sucked into the ready player one.
(00:36:40):
One of the things I really enjoy is helping customers see that good churn is a solution.
(00:36:48):
You want someone to do what they need to do and then maybe not come back for a long
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time because they feel satisfied and got it done.
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And one of the symptoms of a bad product or bad marketing experience is someone
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dragging through or slogging through or having to repeat visits in some instances.
(00:37:06):
Yeah.
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So you like want me to get in,
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give you my credit card information right away and then move on to something else.
(00:37:12):
That way I can come up with some new thing to spend my money on later than just do
(00:37:16):
that really effectively.
(00:37:18):
If you want, I don’t know, like not all the apps are like some apps are for calendars.
(00:37:22):
You’re not buying anything on the calendar app.
(00:37:25):
Okay.
(00:37:27):
But you want to make sure that I’m staring my calendar app all day.
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No, that’s what I mean.
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You shouldn’t be.
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It should be really smooth.
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It should be integrated.
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It should be seamless.
(00:37:35):
And you should be like, all done.
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I love it.
(00:37:38):
Do you love your calendar app?
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I do love my calendar app.
(00:37:42):
That was actually really like Calendly just,
(00:37:45):
not Calendly,
(00:37:46):
Clockwise just sold out to Salesforce.
(00:37:48):
And I was devastated.
(00:37:51):
Now I just have to rely on Google Calendar.
(00:37:54):
They’re coming up to speed nicely, but it’s going to be a while.
(00:37:58):
Oh, wow.
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I’m sorry for your loss.
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I don’t even know what calendar app I use.
(00:38:03):
I have this calendar.
(00:38:05):
This is awesome.
(00:38:06):
It’s like manual.
(00:38:08):
It’s hard to...
(00:38:09):
This is not going to translate well to the podcast.
(00:38:11):
What is that?
(00:38:12):
It’s something from this hipster store where I literally have this piece of paper
(00:38:15):
that I flip over to tell me what day it is.
(00:38:17):
That’s fine.
(00:38:18):
I like that.
(00:38:19):
That’s very tactile.
(00:38:21):
Oh, yeah.
(00:38:21):
I have all that tactile experience.
(00:38:23):
Yeah.
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That’s why I think that you’re one of the people ruining my life.
(00:38:28):
With all your optimization and digital footprints.
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Yeah, sure.
(00:38:37):
Who else is ruining your life?
(00:38:38):
Who else is ruining your life?
(00:38:39):
Oh, it’s a long list.
(00:38:40):
That’s why I say this podcast.
(00:38:41):
I just want to confront all these people.
(00:38:45):
Are you running any marathons or doing stand-up comedy right now?
(00:38:49):
I have a competition in August.
(00:38:53):
A marathon or a stand-up comedy competition?
(00:38:55):
A stand-up.
(00:38:56):
I need a type 5.
(00:38:57):
Maybe type four.
(00:38:58):
I’m like, yeah, I need to get on it.
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I need to be doing some open mics.
(00:39:04):
Are you still actively trying to get good at stand up?
(00:39:08):
No,
(00:39:08):
I mean,
(00:39:09):
I mean,
(00:39:09):
like always kind of,
(00:39:10):
but like not actively,
(00:39:11):
like not in my actual spare time.
(00:39:14):
You’re not the guy that’s sorry, not the guy.
(00:39:17):
You’re not a guy.
(00:39:18):
You’re not the person that’s trying to actively.
(00:39:21):
Most people I would like not correct myself after saying that.
(00:39:23):
But with you, I know it’s important to you.
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It’s important to everyone.
(00:39:28):
It’s less important to some people.
(00:39:31):
You’re on the,
(00:39:33):
you know,
(00:39:34):
as far as the customer digital footprint experience of using the word guy
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incorrectly,
(00:39:39):
I got to correct that real quick.
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Otherwise, you’ll be canceled.
(00:39:44):
Yeah, it’ll cancel and just like derail you.
(00:39:46):
Sorry.
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Good luck moving.
(00:39:48):
My question was, so you’re not the person that’s like trying to do like
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I don’t know if you’ve seen the,
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have you seen the,
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he’s a terrible pocket,
(00:39:57):
what’s the guy,
(00:39:58):
Pete Holmes show,
(00:39:59):
stand-up,
(00:40:00):
the stand-up show where he’s just like.
(00:40:02):
Crashing.
(00:40:03):
Yeah, crashing.
(00:40:05):
Where like every single night he’s going trying to get like open mic nights and
(00:40:07):
handing out flyers because this is like his life’s passion and he wants to get
(00:40:10):
really,
(00:40:10):
really awesome at it.
(00:40:11):
I mean, it like is, I would love to be good at it.
(00:40:14):
It’s so much fun,
(00:40:15):
but I like,
(00:40:17):
I’m working,
(00:40:17):
I have like a real job,
(00:40:19):
unfortunately,
(00:40:19):
at this moment,
(00:40:20):
so.
(00:40:21):
Would you ever quit your real job to do the fun thing?
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Yeah, I would.
(00:40:25):
I totally would.
(00:40:28):
I don’t know when the benchmark...
(00:40:30):
I don’t know what I’d have to...
(00:40:31):
I’d have to be feeling pretty confident, but I totally would.
(00:40:35):
Yeah.
(00:40:36):
Yeah.
(00:40:39):
I can relate to that.
(00:40:39):
I’m just looking for a reason to quit my job every single day.
(00:40:44):
I’m not looking for a reason to quit, but
(00:40:46):
But like in a hypothetical world where I was just like,
(00:40:49):
I had plenty of time to go to open mics every night at like,
(00:40:52):
and do a 2am spot,
(00:40:53):
even just like,
(00:40:54):
it’s not even about time.
(00:40:55):
It’s just about like, that makes me feel so tired.
(00:40:58):
Yeah.
(00:41:00):
I feel like standup is definitely a young person’s game.
(00:41:03):
I wouldn’t say a young man’s game, but I know that I know better than to say that.
(00:41:07):
A young person’s game.
(00:41:09):
Good for you.
(00:41:09):
Well,
(00:41:09):
and like,
(00:41:10):
I actually go to it,
(00:41:11):
like there used to be a standup club like five minutes from my house.
(00:41:13):
And so I go to that
(00:41:15):
I don’t know whenever somebody was good there but it’s like now it’s I would see
(00:41:19):
stand-ups that I like I knew who they were from like weird 90s movies and it just
(00:41:23):
looks rough like yeah they’re still funny but it’s like these 60 year old guys who
(00:41:28):
are like huge in 93 and it’s just like you’re doing a set that starts at 9 30 p.m
(00:41:33):
it’s your third set of the day and you’re in Omaha like yeah the only reason why
(00:41:38):
people come to
(00:41:39):
We have an excellent stand-up comedy club in Omaha.
(00:41:43):
Like one that like literally they always talk about how awesome it is.
(00:41:46):
But it’s because they,
(00:41:48):
it’s one of those where people go to work on new material before doing it like,
(00:41:51):
you know,
(00:41:52):
selling out an arena or something.
(00:41:53):
So like Nate Bargatze in his latest special did like three nights at our tiny
(00:41:57):
little 40-man stand-up comedy club.
(00:42:00):
So we could test out the material for now is, what is it?
(00:42:02):
His big dumb eyes tour.
(00:42:04):
So like we get like really good acts, but it’s definitely one of those things where I see these
(00:42:08):
I see these people and I’m like, I can’t stay up this late past nine on a given night.
(00:42:14):
I’m 36.
(00:42:15):
I feel old, but these guys, when they were 36, they were still in SNL.
(00:42:20):
It’s crazy.
(00:42:21):
Yeah, crazy how old you are.
(00:42:23):
Yeah, that was the point of that.
(00:42:24):
Did you ever end up getting that K-Money tattoo that you were going to do that your
(00:42:28):
friends talked about?
(00:42:29):
No, I did not.
(00:42:29):
I did not.
(00:42:32):
What was it going to be?
(00:42:34):
I don’t even remember anymore.
(00:42:35):
Yeah, I’m really glad I didn’t.
(00:42:37):
I feel like getting a tattoo of your own nickname is challenging.
(00:42:42):
In what way?
(00:42:44):
What’s the challenging part of it?
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Just that you have to live with that for your whole life.
(00:42:49):
You have to live with knowing you were that much of a douche that you got your own
(00:42:52):
name tatted on you.
(00:42:53):
I may have done that.
(00:42:58):
You have a tattoo that says Christopher?
(00:43:00):
No, so I got a tattoo of my name in Greek.
(00:43:04):
Like, is the word in Greek?
(00:43:06):
Just like in case you ever get lost in, like, Mykonos?
(00:43:09):
Yeah, I can’t speak Greek.
(00:43:10):
It can identify your body.
(00:43:11):
Yeah, I don’t even speak Greek, so it can say anything, really.
(00:43:14):
Yeah, yeah, it can say that’s hot.
(00:43:17):
Yeah, it’s like one of those, you know, it’s like... Why did you do that?
(00:43:22):
Walk me through that.
(00:43:25):
Well, I think it was one of those things where, like,
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Just the look of like Greek words was like really cool with like within the little
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group of circle of people that I was in for a while.
(00:43:35):
Like that was like the Christian tattoo.
(00:43:37):
And I’m talking about like when I say my group of people,
(00:43:40):
this is where like the Protestant and the Catholic like path is probably very
(00:43:44):
divergent.
(00:43:45):
Like cool Christian tattoos when I was a kid or like an adolescent,
(00:43:50):
we’re all like you get your own name in Greek.
(00:43:53):
Well, just anything in Greek, anything in Hebrew.
(00:43:55):
Like, you could have gotten, like, John 3.16, but in Greek, and you chose to get your own name.
(00:44:00):
Yeah, I could have.
(00:44:00):
Well, I mean, it’s all the same to me.
(00:44:03):
Cool, cool, cool.
(00:44:04):
Yeah.
(00:44:05):
Yeah, uh-huh.
(00:44:07):
Yeah, got it.
(00:44:07):
So, yeah, so now I can live with that for the rest of my life.
(00:44:10):
Well,
(00:44:10):
I actually have,
(00:44:11):
like,
(00:44:11):
this whole bigger,
(00:44:12):
like,
(00:44:12):
metaphor of,
(00:44:13):
like,
(00:44:13):
so my name is Christopher.
(00:44:15):
Which is like Greek for his two Greek words,
(00:44:17):
Christus and Pharos,
(00:44:19):
which means bearer or bringer of Christ,
(00:44:21):
depending on which Google definition you pick.
(00:44:24):
And it’s like I had this whole like thought about like,
(00:44:28):
you know,
(00:44:28):
a shield bearer and a lion and all this stuff.
(00:44:32):
And I’m like, well, none of it like it’s like would make any sense without like my name.
(00:44:36):
So I just started with the name and then I went, I don’t need all the rest of that stuff.
(00:44:40):
And now I’ll probably get covered up by something else at some point.
(00:44:42):
Hmm.
(00:44:43):
Hmm.
(00:44:43):
Hmm.
(00:44:45):
When did you get that tattoo?
(00:44:47):
Not that long ago.
(00:44:48):
I think like five years ago.
(00:44:49):
So you were 31.
(00:44:51):
This is like actually not.
(00:44:52):
Yeah, I was in my 30s.
(00:44:53):
Yeah.
(00:44:53):
Uh-huh.
(00:44:54):
Okay.
(00:44:54):
Well,
(00:44:54):
because you presented it like,
(00:44:56):
oh,
(00:44:56):
when I was a kid,
(00:44:57):
you know,
(00:44:58):
when I was like 18,
(00:44:59):
like going.
(00:45:00):
Well, this is like my second year being a dad.
(00:45:01):
I mean, I’m a whole different person now.
(00:45:05):
You also have this ability where like I could tell that exact same story to
(00:45:08):
somebody and not feel really judged and terrible about my choices.
(00:45:11):
But when I talk to you,
(00:45:13):
It’s just I always start a story and go like,
(00:45:15):
oh man,
(00:45:16):
I didn’t think this was dumb until I saw your reaction.
(00:45:22):
And it makes me wonder like, what are the truth is?
(00:45:24):
Like, am I really as terrible as I feel after I speak to you or not?
(00:45:28):
It’s hard to say.
(00:45:32):
No one knows.
(00:45:32):
You know what?
(00:45:32):
Before we...
(00:45:35):
Don’t talk about anything else.
(00:45:37):
I really do think we need to talk about how we got to know each other in our
(00:45:40):
reality game show environment that we were playing.
(00:45:42):
It was like living the real world.
(00:45:44):
Yeah.
(00:45:45):
So, okay.
(00:45:45):
So we were all uglier.
(00:45:46):
Yeah.
(00:45:47):
Do you want to describe what building efficiency sales training is or should I?
(00:45:51):
I think I want to hear your definition.
(00:45:54):
It’s called building efficiency sales training.
(00:45:56):
I don’t know if it still exists.
(00:45:57):
I’m sure there’s some version of it,
(00:45:58):
but it was specifically called building efficiency division anymore.
(00:46:01):
So they keep on changing what the D and the E stand for.
(00:46:04):
I still think that’s the best,
(00:46:06):
but I think they re-engineered what the acronym stands for every single
(00:46:10):
reorganization.
(00:46:11):
That makes sense.
(00:46:12):
I mean, that’s fine.
(00:46:13):
But yeah,
(00:46:14):
so they specifically used best so they can call this group of new grads the best
(00:46:19):
class that you’re recruited to this elite circle of Avengers.
(00:46:25):
It’s like meant to.
(00:46:28):
A new hire, corporate American new hires.
(00:46:30):
Corporate American new hires.
(00:46:31):
Everyone is like 22.
(00:46:34):
And you’re all,
(00:46:35):
yeah,
(00:46:35):
you’re all like plucked from your schools across the country and like assembled,
(00:46:39):
like I said,
(00:46:40):
into this all-star team.
(00:46:42):
And you come to fun and you’re like enamored with like this intercontinental travel
(00:46:47):
that you’re going to have.
(00:46:48):
And it turns out that’s just like Milwaukee and Oklahoma.
(00:46:51):
And Norman, Oklahoma.
(00:46:53):
And San Antonio, but not even the hardest thing.
(00:46:55):
Not even like, no, like where the factories are outside of San Antonio.
(00:46:59):
It’s the place where they can’t get any unions.
(00:47:01):
Like it’s literally...
(00:47:03):
They pick the area of San Antonio where union workers aren’t allowed to go.
(00:47:05):
It’s like forever outside of San Antonio.
(00:47:08):
So yeah.
(00:47:09):
And then sometimes if you’re lucky, you get to go to York, PA.
(00:47:12):
So yeah.
(00:47:13):
But it’s the first time.
(00:47:15):
I don’t know what was going on with our group,
(00:47:18):
but no one had any serious relationships coming out of college.
(00:47:22):
So everyone was single.
(00:47:23):
It was the first time we had an expense account.
(00:47:25):
We were all staying in a hotel.
(00:47:27):
So it was like suspended reality.
(00:47:31):
And we weren’t home with our regular friends for like two weeks at a time.
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So we were like, had to like, like fuse into each other, like survive.
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And then there was also a ranking system.
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It was like, it was crazy.
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It was crazy.
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The closest thing I could think of is a reality game show.
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And I felt that while I was in it too.
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It felt to me like the real world.
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Especially like the real world because there was no winning.
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It was just, we were just on parade.
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It was like, who’s like, is it anyway?
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Because there was points though, but they didn’t matter.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, you couldn’t win.
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You couldn’t win.
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And it was like, okay, so yeah, just to, so every two weeks...
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So we had about, what, 30 of us or so.
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And I think most of us were from different cities.
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There’s a few people that were, like, we had, like, Boston had, like, four people.
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But most of us were from different cities.
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And then we had one guy, Wassam, from Dubai, who was in our group for a little while.
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And then he got transferred to a different group.
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And they realized he doesn’t actually sell any of the things that we’re training him.
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And the idea was that we would have a six-month training program,
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but it was like two weeks on,
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two weeks off.
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So the first two weeks would be all these 20-somethings living in a hotel,
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separate hotel rooms,
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but in the same hotel for two weeks.
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Then we’d go home, do a bunch of stupid homework, or maybe our real jobs.
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Our real jobs.
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I didn’t.
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My boss was like, we’ll talk about your real job once your training’s over.
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And then we just actually never really got to that part.
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And I’m still there 12 years later, so I haven’t figured out what my job is.
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So we go like two weeks in Milwaukee, and then we would go home to wherever home was.
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And then we come back another two weeks in Milwaukee.
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We did that for six straight weeks.
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Was it that?
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Six months.
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Six months.
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And it was at least,
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I think it was eight weeks altogether living at a hotel room,
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something like that.
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I don’t know.
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But yeah, six months long.
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But it was my first experience.
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You were in sororities.
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And so I always felt like it was my college experience because I wasn’t in a fraternity.
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I was in the engineering dorms for all the scholarship engineering nerds.
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And so it was like, yeah, it was exactly what you would think.
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It was all these people like I had the lowest ACT score on my floor.
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Why were you guys even talking about your ACT scores?
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I’m just saying,
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as somebody who still had a good enough ACT score to get on a full ride engineering
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scholarship,
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I was the dumbest one.
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So you can imagine what our social scene was like.
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But then we go to,
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you know,
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so that was my five years of college because I don’t know if you knew this about
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me,
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but I have a master’s degree.
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Yeah, I know, I know.
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Five years of college.
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And then we had this weird experience where,
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like you said,
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all of a sudden we have all unlimited funds and limited money because we can use
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our work credit card to buy all of our food.
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And it just turns into this weird free-for-all thing where we sit in an eight-hour
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training session on air-cooled chiller.
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Not even air-cooled chiller.
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It was like the individual parts of air-cooled chiller.
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It’s like, what is this tube?
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Just like the concept.
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Yeah.
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They have these cool tubes.
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Let’s talk about this very specific tube that’s inside it for eight hours.
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And then we’d have weird homework on that.
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And then we would get a ranking system 1 through 33 at the end of every week to
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tell us how awesome it was.
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And then the rest of the time was just hours.
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And man, it was insane.
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So the guy who was leading the course was a creep.
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And no one could really articulate what was so creepy about him until a judge
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finally did and sent him to jail.
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He got sent to jail.
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He didn’t get sent to jail.
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I thought he did.
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He got convicted.
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I don’t know if there was jail time involved.
(00:51:11):
But yeah, there is a lawsuit out there for embezzling money.
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I think he’s actually one of the few people that subscribes to this podcast.
(00:51:21):
I probably hope so.
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Too much about it.
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But it wasn’t.
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Yeah, it wasn’t.
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He was definitely a game show host type of personality, not a engineering professor.
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Like a game show host for like, like, I don’t know what, what child in my bed or something.
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I don’t know.
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Yeah.
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Love.
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Well,
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Where do you go from there?
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I don’t know.
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I don’t know where you go from there.
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I mean, I don’t, I don’t, all the directions I can think of are directions I don’t want to go.
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I remember we had a,
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but like this,
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it was such a weird,
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like odd couple of like these 30 people because it was,
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a lot of them was exactly what you’d expect.
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Like super, like people that want to go into sales, right?
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Like, yeah, but also like everyone was an engineer, I think.
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Everyone was an engineer, so they’re all pretty smart.
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Some have better social skills than others.
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Some were very smart.
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Some were very smart.
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Some people had better social skills than others.
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Chloe is a lawyer now.
(00:52:30):
There were some real smart folks in that class.
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Chloe is one of the... She’s a lawyer for the ACLU.
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She’s crushing.
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Yeah.
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And then but then there’s like then there’s the other parts of the guys that maybe
(00:52:43):
aren’t actually that smart,
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but just huge douchebags.
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And there’s definitely a lot of that going on.
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And those are the people that like.
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And also,
(00:52:51):
I want to say,
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like,
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we’re talking about it like we were given like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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We had like a per diem that was like maybe a few hundred.
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But we were all just so young.
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We were like, this is life changing.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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We’re talking about it like it’s an NFL signing bonus, but it was really just like, oh my God.
(00:53:12):
We just had beer money.
(00:53:13):
That was all it was.
(00:53:16):
We had a hotel that was comped and we could eat food and then we had enough for beer after.
(00:53:21):
But it was still insane.
(00:53:23):
I remember one of our friends from Austin...
(00:53:26):
from the Austin branch he was the one he’s the only one in like a very serious
(00:53:30):
relationship I feel yeah he got married during that time yeah he was engaged when
(00:53:33):
he started it and then so he got married but I remember his goal every single trip
(00:53:37):
was to say he wanted to spend zero of his own dollars yes yes which like fits his
(00:53:41):
personality to be honest and he did like he never bought it like I’ve always been
(00:53:46):
like a souvenir shopper not him not that there’s like a lot of souvenirs in Norman,
(00:53:49):
Oklahoma that I wanted but
(00:53:51):
And it was just like, he literally would just try to limit all of his spending to just meals.
(00:53:56):
Exactly.
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And that was it.
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And just getting covered, yes.
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Totally.
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And he probably still had a great time.
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I think at as good of a time as anyone else did.
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Yeah, totally.
(00:54:08):
My,
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well,
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when you,
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it’s funny,
(00:54:12):
because like,
(00:54:12):
you still like,
(00:54:13):
I still hear stories about things that happened,
(00:54:15):
like during that time that I didn’t know,
(00:54:17):
like closed door kind of stuff afterwards,
(00:54:19):
like,
(00:54:20):
Like you kind of knew certain like like this is the real world stuff right like the
(00:54:25):
new certain people like hooked up and you heard certain stories and like this guy
(00:54:29):
showed up late to class the next day but when he came back he had a coffee in hand
(00:54:34):
for one of the girls that sat by him who he never sat by before like there’s a lot
(00:54:40):
of that kind of stuff but like I remember I remember our mutual friend was telling
(00:54:45):
me something about like
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It was his birthday and one of the people went up to him from our group and was
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like,
(00:54:51):
hey,
(00:54:53):
what do you want for your birthday?
(00:54:53):
He goes, I don’t know, maybe a blowjob?
(00:54:55):
And she’s like, oh, okay.
(00:54:56):
It’s up by my roommate.
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Stories like that, you hear that?
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Gross.
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Gross.
(00:55:02):
Yeah.
(00:55:06):
Gross.
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Yeah, it was a weird time.
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That’s what happens.
(00:55:09):
You put too many young 20-something people in a hotel room.
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Yeah, it was
(00:55:15):
Yeah, there was no adult supervision.
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The only adult there was our game show host friend who probably went to jail.
(00:55:22):
The other thing that I remember from that,
(00:55:23):
I’m just going through my notes,
(00:55:24):
is you started a fantasy football league without me during that time.
(00:55:28):
Without you?
(00:55:30):
Do you seriously not remember that?
(00:55:31):
I made a sneak out of that for years.
(00:55:33):
Here it is only 13 years later and it’s still like, I’m still bringing it up.
(00:55:38):
Yeah, no, clearly it’s affected you more than me.
(00:55:40):
I...
(00:55:45):
I found out about it after the fact and and then I made sure I brought it up every
(00:55:54):
single trip from then on out yeah no I don’t remember that at all but I’m very I
(00:55:59):
apologize I was so young yeah you you’ve learned a lot about how to treat people
(00:56:04):
since then exactly I did I also saw on your LinkedIn page that you still have that
(00:56:10):
you are bragging about being ranked number three do I have that on there
(00:56:14):
It’s still out there.
(00:56:15):
You’re ranked number three.
(00:56:16):
Remember who number two was?
(00:56:18):
You were number two.
(00:56:19):
Yours truly.
(00:56:20):
And number one doesn’t count.
(00:56:23):
He has a very big heart.
(00:56:26):
Probably also in jail.
(00:56:30):
Almost definitely is in jail.
(00:56:32):
Wow, that’s only hope for all of our sakes.
(00:56:36):
Okay, Kylie, what else?
(00:56:38):
Anything else we should talk about?
(00:56:39):
Who’s your favorite sports team?
(00:56:41):
This is another fascinating thing about it.
(00:56:42):
I can never figure out what teams you root for.
(00:56:44):
Yeah, right now I’m really into Wemby and the Spurs, of course.
(00:56:48):
I think Spurs are going to take it in five.
(00:56:51):
Take what?
(00:56:51):
The championship?
(00:56:52):
The finals.
(00:56:53):
The finals.
(00:56:53):
Okay.
(00:56:54):
Okay.
(00:56:54):
When being the Spurs?
(00:56:55):
Have you been, was this a new, like the NBA, is that a new?
(00:56:59):
Yeah.
(00:57:00):
Just because Central Texas is going so crazy for the Spurs and the Spurs are just
(00:57:03):
so unproblematic and good.
(00:57:05):
And like the people of San Antonio and Central Texas are like just my favorites.
(00:57:10):
So yeah, I’m all in.
(00:57:11):
I’m all in right now.
(00:57:14):
When the season comes back around, I’ll be like fully on board for the Chiefs again.
(00:57:18):
I mean, I’m never not on board for the Chiefs.
(00:57:20):
Because your Chiefs, apparently Spurs now, that’s a new app.
(00:57:24):
Detroit Tigers, right?
(00:57:25):
Aren’t you a Tigers baseball fan?
(00:57:27):
Yeah, but I’m also a big Royals fan.
(00:57:29):
But they’re in different leagues, so that’s okay.
(00:57:31):
Okay.
(00:57:32):
Yeah.
(00:57:33):
And then obviously KU.
(00:57:35):
Kansas always.
(00:57:36):
Are they doing that stuff currently?
(00:57:39):
Yeah, they’re in the playoffs for baseball.
(00:57:42):
They could be coming to Omaha.
(00:57:43):
Yeah.
(00:57:45):
Nebraska just lost last night so I was at a bar and watched But doesn’t everyone
(00:57:50):
have to come through Omaha that’s like the only thing you guys have is the College
(00:57:53):
World Series Yeah that’s no we have Warren Buffett Oh you have a walking bridge too
(00:57:58):
and a zoo Yeah yeah and a zoo and a bridge But no Warren Buffett for the moment
(00:58:04):
being I mean he’s already stepped down so now he’s really just a mascot he’s not
(00:58:09):
even running Berkshire Hathaway anymore but you know
(00:58:12):
You know He’s still ours He still shows up on all the Forbes lists Yeah But like
(00:58:18):
you went to Kansas when it was the historically worst football team ever in the
(00:58:22):
history of ever,
(00:58:23):
right?
(00:58:25):
Um I feel like yes I think you were at KU when they were like 0-12 for like 3 years
(00:58:32):
in a row or something crazy Yeah Because it was after Mangino left I don’t think we
(00:58:36):
lost right away when Mangino left Um
(00:58:43):
But then, yeah, we were certainly not on an uphill trajectory.
(00:58:47):
Were people still, like, showing up?
(00:58:48):
Did you go to KU football games or just all basketball all the time?
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No, we went to football games.
(00:58:54):
Were they, like, what was the vibe?
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Vibes were high.
(00:58:57):
Vibes are always high.
(00:58:59):
Okay, so you still enjoyed it.
(00:59:00):
It was just like, but you just, were you there for the football?
(00:59:02):
Do people actually, like, were they hopeful, optimistic?
(00:59:05):
Yeah, of course.
(00:59:07):
Always.
(00:59:07):
That’s what I’m saying.
(00:59:08):
Vibes are high, man.
(00:59:10):
Vibes are big.
(00:59:12):
You could be a Husker fan with that kind of attitude.
(00:59:16):
Yeah, but I have too much self-respect.
(00:59:20):
Hey, water’s warm.
(00:59:21):
You can join whenever you want.
(00:59:24):
Yeah.
(00:59:26):
Anything else, Kylie?
(00:59:28):
I don’t think so.
(00:59:28):
Any other questions about what makes me so interesting?
(00:59:31):
I don’t know.
(00:59:32):
I don’t even know if we covered it.
(00:59:34):
I don’t know if we’ve convinced my three viewers yet that you’re worth this time
(00:59:38):
while they’re on the treadmill.
(00:59:41):
But one thing I’ve learned about just listening to podcasts is that really people
(00:59:46):
have,
(00:59:48):
they have very low expectations out of a lot of their podcasts.
(00:59:50):
I listened to my interview, who was it?
(00:59:55):
Kristen Wiig.
(00:59:58):
It was the worst interview I think I’ve ever heard in my life.
(01:00:00):
This is easily a better interview than that.
(01:00:02):
Kristen Wiig.
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Oh, it’s awful.
(01:00:04):
You should listen to it.
(01:00:06):
It’s awful.
(01:00:06):
It’s awful.
(01:00:07):
it’s a total waste of time you should you should interesting that’s like actually
(01:00:11):
kind of fascinating it is like that was yeah because those two people are like in
(01:00:17):
showbiz let’s say their whole thing like I love Conan and I think that he’s the
(01:00:21):
kind of guy that like really wants his guests to come across well you know yeah you
(01:00:26):
can just see him like just wheels turning trying to help her and he would say stuff
(01:00:31):
like uh like Kristen Wiig would give responses like
(01:00:35):
Yeah, some people just think I’m, you know, not very interesting.
(01:00:38):
And you’d be like, oh, really?
(01:00:41):
It’s like going to be like, what?
(01:00:42):
Yeah, no.
(01:00:43):
I’ve actually heard interviews of him talking about how practiced he or how he like
(01:00:48):
made it a skill for himself to be a good host and interviewer.
(01:00:52):
So he like, yeah, he takes it very seriously.
(01:00:55):
And especially because he kind of had to like on his show,
(01:00:58):
especially early on,
(01:00:59):
he was interviewing like C and D list celebrities or like kids who were like,
(01:01:04):
had like
(01:01:05):
By C.S.
(01:01:05):
Beaty
(01:01:22):
He always has this fake,
(01:01:23):
I don’t think it’s most of the time fake,
(01:01:25):
I think summertime it has to be,
(01:01:26):
but it’s like,
(01:01:26):
oh yeah,
(01:01:27):
ketchup is great,
(01:01:28):
yeah.
(01:01:31):
You can see with Kristen Wiig that one,
(01:01:32):
which to your point,
(01:01:34):
I thought it would be great just knowing that she’s funny.
(01:01:37):
And it was
(01:01:40):
My heart just broke for this man because I’ve never been in that exact situation.
(01:01:44):
I’m really going through it, Conan.
(01:01:45):
I’ve been in a lot of terrible sales calls where you could tell it’s just not working.
(01:01:50):
But man, it was rough.
(01:01:51):
Maybe you should rethink what you’re doing.
(01:01:53):
Yeah.
(01:01:55):
But that being said, I’ll take Kristen Wiig on my podcast anytime.
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Yeah.
(01:01:58):
Good idea.
(01:01:59):
I bet she’s open to it.
(01:02:01):
Now that she knows that you hate her.
(01:02:05):
I think she’s an awful podcast interviewer.
(01:02:08):
If she wasn’t eager before, she’s eager now.
(01:02:13):
That’s the trick.
(01:02:14):
That’s the secret sauce.
(01:02:16):
Alright, Kylie.
(01:02:18):
You’ll get there.
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Thank you.
(01:02:22):
My pleasure.
(01:02:23):
There’s no close.
(01:02:24):
I don’t know how we’re supposed to do this.
(01:02:27):
The last podcast we closed was...
(01:02:30):
My wife said a text saying, it’s raining outside and Ben’s trunk is open.
(01:02:34):
Ben was my guest.
(01:02:35):
So we said, we better get outside and close the trunk.
(01:02:38):
Time to close up shop.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
(01:02:41):
Well, it’s been a slice.
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Always a pleasure, Christopher Beaty.
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Thank you.
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Interesting People is produced by Chris Beaty in his basement.
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Thank you to Kylie Sheehy for always being a thrill to talk to,
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even when it’s just to make fun of me.
(01:02:55):
Be sure to check out her kick-ass non-profit she’s a part of, Mobile Loaves and Fishes.
(01:03:01):
Its web address looks a lot like MILF.org, but it’s not that one.
(01:03:04):
It’s MLF.org.
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MILF.org is something else.
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Signing off from the greatest city on earth,
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some might even say better than Austin,
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Texas,
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Omaha,
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Nebraska.
